From:Illias Suttar [illias@super.net.pk]
Sent:Fri 4/29/2005 1:51 AM
To:All members of the mailing list
Subject: NASIM (AHMEDI) & BISHOP T. NASIR – COMMONFACTOR
 

Bishop T. Nasir wants to confine the discussion within the four walls of his office and allows only Illias Suttar & Former Padri Muhammad Abdullah Shaikh to come for discussion. 

Nasim Ahmed wrote his article “An Ahmedi Answers” around 9 ½ years ago in response to my article “CAN AHMEDIS ANSWER?” He himself told me that he has sent his article to people outside Pakistan also. He also apologized to Jews and Christians in case they felt hurt by the article. He also hoped that his article “Will Bridge love and respect and positive perceptions between the Ahmediyah Movement in Islam and all those who misunderstand us.” Then he wanted 10 persons to discuss the article of Illias Suttar in this discussion group.

THEN ALL OF A SUDDEN HE SAID “I WROTE THE BOOKLET ONLY FOR YOU (ILLIAS) NO ONE ELSE.” 

This is the common factor between Bishop T. Nasir & Nasim Ahmed: -Both of them want to hide their weaknesses from the outside world. But it is too late. Their writings have reached countless places and will keep on spreading from day to day. 

My Friend Nasim Ahmed should know that he is not the only one who has answered my article. Besides him, the Official Weekly Al Fazl (London), Al Musleh and Saira Nargis etc. etc. have also given their answers. Quite interestinglythe book “Shaitan Kay Chailay” published from U.K. has agreed with my challenging point on which Mobahila took place between Mirza Tahir Ahmed and Illias Suttar. 

By agreeing with my challengingpoint, the book “Shaitan Kay Chailay” has indirectly admitted that Illias Suttar was truthful in the light of the Mobahila Agreement and the Ahmedis were wrong. 

Because the Mobahila agreement dated 03-June-1999 signed by me, Usman (Murabbi) and 6 witnesses (3 from each side) clearly mentions:-

1.“Subject of meeting: Reward bearing QUESTION of Illias Suttar" (i.e. The Article Titled “Can Ahmedis Answer?”)

2.“Illias Suttar will have this Mobahillah agreement printed and will staple it to his article or add to the article in future editions.” 

3.“If Illias Suttar is wrong in his points (i.e. The Article Titled “Can Ahmedis Answer?”), then Illias Suttar will be punished by Allah in one year.”, “If Mirza Sahab is from Allah, then Illias Suttar will be punished in one year.”

By agreeing with my challenging point, the book “Shaitan Kay Chailay” has proved that Illias Suttar was not wrong in the challenging point of the Article “Can Ahmedis Answer?”. 

In this way, the Book “Shaitan Kay Chailay” has confirmed that Illias Suttar was the winner in the Mobahila, because the Mobahila agreement was based on the challenging point of Illias Suttar. (Insha Allah Masha Allah).

THE CHALLENGING POINT OF ILLIAS SUTTAR

Mirza Ghulam Ahmed said that St. Paul made Jesus God.
St. Paul died in 65AD. Jesus died in 120AD according to Mirza Ghulam Ahmed.
Therefore, St. Paul died 55 years before Jesus.
Therefore, St. Paul made Jesus God 55years before Jesus died in Kashmir.
Therefore, Jesus was made God in Palestine while Jesus was still alive in Kashmir.

BOOK "SHAITAN KAY CHAILEY" says on page 604,

Corruption in faith had already begun during the time of disciples. In the ABSENCE(not death) of Hazrat Isa (peace be upon him) the seeds of Trinity was sown by Paul.

IN CONTRAST........................ Extracts from Holy Quran printed by Qadianis

"for as the verse points out, it was after his (Jesus's) death(NOT ABSENCE) that he was to be worshipped as God.

Please read my article “Ahmadis / Qadianis About Turn” In the web site http://www.can-you-answer.com/shaitanRep2.htm
 

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